Reply. With convoy escort even the most modern DDs have trouble sinking anything. How strange that ships on patrol will ignore convoys, even if they are escorted, or maybe the escorts are just sailing around on convoy protection duty and happen to show up when my submarines strike. Turns out it's all okay but I'm sure many other HOI4 players, especially new ones, are just as vexed and frustrated by this issue as I was. So I can't lend lease a landlocked country because they don't have convoys. Report. Instead, there is only one standard convoy model. Bismarck_1993 • 2 yr. I already have my navy escort supply convoy with 100% efficiency. Put Observation Planes on your Escorts! Convoy Escort/Patrol Mission - fleets of 50 LC and 100 DD/DE (Destroyer. The official unofficial subreddit for Elite Dangerous, we even have devs lurking the sub! Elite Dangerous brings gaming’s original open world adventure to the modern generation with a stunning recreation of the entire Milky Way galaxy. ago. As Japan it's hard to reduce convoy use for trade if you need it. You also can’t get into a faction with them. AFAICT only convoy raiding and convoy escort use mission efficiencies, so the trait is probably only interesting for those. Report. I can see AI set up a convoy form mainland US to Wake island, with only 3 transports. I read on the wiki that you need at least 70% naval superiority in all regions where the transports will cross. The navy gives you the agency to go and do anywhere, and not be locked to the limitations of a contiguous land passage. Do yourself a favor and at the start of the game restrict access to any sea zones you can't cover, especially ones close to countries you will be at war with. Naval missions can be assigned to task forces to govern their behavior. It did work in HOI3, but convoy routes were on a sea zone (province sized) basis, and the AI could adjust the route a few sea zones to either side. Destroyers > Submarines > Light Cruisers > Air > Capital ships > Screens. Patrol + air superiority + radar will make it really hard for enemy ships to continue to go undetected. It’s not that other strats can’t work, they just aren. Avoidance. Put your fleet on convoy escort, use naval bombers etc. Best way is to patrol with convoy escort missions or better yet take the enemies islands like Malta to deny their extra air coverage and port access to harass your convoys. Try fitting a DD with 3 DP guns and 3 torpedoes with depth charges, you run out of slots so you must sacrifice either ASW or a torpedo. If you want your ships to patrol the sea zones, then use Convoy Escort. Check to see naval route efficiency ( hover over troops to see). your best bet is to build tonnes of submarines, fighters, naval bombers and strategical bombers. This video serves as guide to the Convoy Raiding and Convoy Escort missions. Nothing gets them to help. This is correct. Designed a 1936 destroyer: engine 2, x2 depth charge thrower, x1 light battery 1 and sonar 2… with no torpedoes, no fire control, and no AA. If there are ships in port then the hubs may not work properly. Destroyers are useful not only for screening, but also are the main ship necessary to run Convoy Escort missions. Reply. They were very effective convoy escorts and actually battled U-Boats off the Atlantic coast and Gibraltar. Even better if you're looking for subs in shallow waters where. More likely though is that your convoys are getting intercepted. In addition to the functions above, navies can also participate in. A task force assigned to the convoy escort mission will protect convoys belonging to the player or their allies if they are attacked. Then, if you're using scary enough ships, they can't exactly scout for them very effectively either, forcing them to either run capitals on convoy escort- not ideal, especially if you have some way to get naval bomber support- or throw scout ships into the danger zone, giving you some easy kills without a great chance of retaliation as a result. The concepts of hulls and modules do not apply to convoys. Surface raiding, especially in the med, is extremely dangerous even for human players in MP games, so it would probably be suicide for an AI, but I 100% agree that UK should be putting every single ship on. Use this along your high importance convoy routes, ideally either roach DDs or ASW DDs. For the record convoy escorts are not for sinking subs. I don’t need too many of these since the AI doesn’t spam submarines. Can multiple convoy raider TFs be made to join the same battle?. Latest HOI4 province id map (HOI4v 1. In the end, no. The convoys have to pass several regions to get to their destination, meaning I have to order the fleet to a new region over and over while the convoy sails on. much a starting tech. (unfortunately you cannot give your CVE aircraft manual orders while they are on a Convoy Escort mission,. Convoy Defence Composition: 6+ Destroyers. You need convoy escorts at, or very close to, 100% efficiency. teutonicnight99 • 3 yr. This means that the DDs on convoy escort are now slower than my. Your escort coverage is based upon how often the ships assigned to escort in an area can visit that location. you want to split your subs up into groups of say 20 (10 initially if you are a smaller naval power) then assign them their raid locations (an entire ocean for example) and by having multiple groups of 10 they will. Select the fleet you want to use and at the top of the ships list will be their options. I sent my battlefleet to the tile. If the port in the UK is low level it can bottleneck supply. In my experience convoy escorts works well. Game balance and micro-management would be my guess. any tactic will defeat AI. Defensive (using the navy primarily for convoy raids and escorts. Light carriers, especially the Japanese ones, are modeled by earlier carrier designs. Does anyone know why I only have 22% naval route efficienty? I have about 50 destroyer and a few subs on convoy escort in the relevant regions, I have supremacy in most of them, at times a region goes yellow. 95 votes, 23 comments. Convoy escorts. You don't need air support you don't need bigger navy. However, submarines are effective against battleships and carriers, so I'd use them to destroy the royal navy in preparation for full landing forces. ; About Hearts of Iron 4 Wiki; Mobile viewThe Navy in HoI4 seems to be something that a lot of people gloss over, perhaps because they do not know how it works, or where to even start when it comes to designing the right ships for your fleet. g. reply. 2. It's sort of like the difference between a fighter sweep and a fighter escort for bombers. Naval power is key to protection of convoy traffic, or disruption of enemy convoys. Chase away any convoy raiders attacking your convoys. For the record convoy escorts are not for sinking subs. gunawa. NAV can also be effective at killing subs, especially when you have a lot of sub detection in the sea zone. Latest HOI4 province summary spreadsheet (HOI4v 1. I can't patrol off the cost with my convoy escorts and spotters because no supply anywhere near the coast. Using Convoy Escort on the troubled sea provinces. As for convoy/escort building, I have a few approaches as the UK, for example: 1) Don't build any and manually cancel/reset resource/supply convoys as needed. With all the new tech and additions they're adding to HoI4, like the new naval system, I'm worried the game is going to have feature creep and focus more and more on the nitty gritty micro, which I dunno, given the games' frustrating babysitting, the lackluster UI, and host of other issues, I kinda wish HoI4 stuck to the big picture perspective. There are better ways to pull of Sealion instead of wasting several years building dockyards. No Convoys Have Access. When escort efficiency is 100% among task forces within a given fleet, one of these task forces will instantly come to the defence of any convoys under attack within the fleet's assigned regions. I've tried putting the 6 on patrol, strike force,removing their orders and sending them to the area. I build Fleets with very specific ships and roles. 0 unless otherwise noted. Patrols should consist of spotting CL with float planes and radar, a few ASW DD, and 2-3 battle fleet CL to hold until the strike force arrives/wipe smaller surface fleets. Convoy Raiding: 1 task force can cover 1. However, it is possible to influence convoy routes by setting access levels for specific regions. Considering that the most popular convoy raiding fleets make good use of submarines, fans are going to want to use ships that can. For trade intrediction convoy riding and low risk engage + your choice of repair. Convoys cannot be. 5 Avalanche). Select convoy escort and click on the sea zones you want the fleet to escort in (up to 3). bunny32794. A destroyer with no depth charges will be eagerly dumped into convoy escort, and a 22-knot dreadnought and 30-knot fast battleship will be equally-rated for their role in a battlefleet. Best to create a blockade of sea zones and divide your dedicated raiders (mostly subs) accordingly. Attack. Well it makes your ship target convoys. Click a friendly port in the area and click the province you want to invade. Maybe also add a patrol light cruiser from my previous comment into each flotilla. Convoy Escort English Channel--TF1. Create a destroyer escort for convoy escort mission. ago. This may be related: I've noticed that naval bombers don't show in the air combat stats. Put everthing else into the reserves (Maybe not coastal defense ships because they are trash) so they can replace lost ships. escort there ASW destroyer template? 450 hours in and still need help with naval strategy and designs. Select the fleet you want to use and at the top of the ships list will be their options. Navy group 3 (convoy escort) : same thing as group 2 but with destroyers. Historically, both the US and the UK used small carriers for patrol and convoy escort, but the game doesn't model this. Come join our Discord: discord. This can't be a strike force so one of the other missions (likely escort and patrol) would need to intervene first. About navy: build only destroyer 1 with depth charges and use them for convoy escort (5 destroyers per fleet). For naval, complete Fleet in being, Convoy Sailing and Escort and Battlefleet Concentration. Some HOI4 players are really good at the game, and honestly no amount of AI fixes will ever be enough for them, because they'll always be able to wipe the floor with it. On the basis that 36 DE's are giving 3% cover, I'd need crazy numbers to achieve 100%, circa 1,200 or so. ago. There are 4-5 buttons at the top, "patrol" "search and destroy" "convoy escort" "convoy raiding" or something like that. There are no two ways about it. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by. 0 unless otherwise noted. There are two known bugs with naval supply, either or both of which you may be suffering from: 1. If you have 2% superiority, get back to dock fast. You want 6-8 per task force, with a ton of task forces. Don't let your navy engage for. have paratroopers researched (paratrooper 2s if possible). Kaosium Captain. So! (2. There are 4-5 buttons at the top, "patrol" "search and destroy" "convoy escort" "convoy raiding" or something like that. But in reality other sun's will scare. Playing Japan. In HOI4 routes go through naval regions covering massive areas, and including many sea zones. Originally posted by Ryan: Ships assigned to Naval Invade will sit in their ports until the amphibious invasion is launched. The easiest way is to trade for oil, but most likely that trade will require convoys, which your enemies can sink. your naval bombers can't see shit. g. You need to put your navies on patrol, search and destroy, or convoy escort in the naval zone in order to get 75% or more naval superiority before you can conduct an amphibious invasion. In the end, no. What you will need a shit ton of DDs with torp racks to nuke their fleets. As a naval major (UK, USA, Japan), in SP, you can blend both metas effectively, leaving you with a power surface fleet, good patrols, great convoy raiding, and great anti sub. For example, it's better to have only 1 Tiers 4 battery with -20. The AI simply can’t compete. The naval side of the game isn't that bad, you just don't understand it. I put my entire navy on Convoy Escort to defend my reinforcements to Tripoli and now 2 task forces have engaged the Allied navy and my other 6 task forces in the region are just watching them die instead of helping. Left-click on the province where you want your troops to leave from. If you still can't make it work, make a frontline or fallback line somewhere in France and assign your troops to the order with ctrl-click and they'll try to move to it automatically. Set you sub fleet to engage at high risk, medium repair priority and enable automatic split off. For convoy escort, in a sub 2 game you'll be fine with the same shitty destroyers so long as Canada puts tactical bombers up over everywhere the enemy is attacking you - even destroyer 1 and tac 1 will massively outtrade Axis subs. Okay so I've found out the problem, I just don't have a solution. 12. Report. r/equestriaatwar. If you're using subs to escort, you will still take convoy losses, you will just fight back a bit. 10 things I noticed/thought about HOI4. Princess_N1cole • 2 yr. Naval warfare is conducted by ships which operate in the world's interconnected seas and oceans. If you're playing a naval power you can also throw in a few battleships. Here is how to successfully naval invade in HOI4: Select one of your armies and press the Naval Invasion Order button (anchor icon with an arrow). If the escorts get assaulted, your main fleet on regular patrol should detect the fight and auto join. I'm pretty sure it means that the supply route is being raided by the enemy so convoy escort is your best bet. In this short tutorial esque guide I will show how the current best way to counter the Axis sub spam, as the Allies (specifically the United Kingdom). As Manchuko, try the Soviets and Italy early on. Make. Every single time I put my navy to defend convoys they do fuckall and my naval invasions gets sunk anywaysThere is the convoy escort mission, and to my knowledge it does exactly what it says on the tin. Each CL (except for the 5th one that was just created) has killed 30 to 40 enemy warships each (they've killed eight that were caps: 5 CAs, 2. A patch should most definitely be made to resolve this issue. The most common use for naval task forces is protecting and attacking enemy convoys. The game kept showing "This convoy will arrive in the next region. Just don't put a higher tier engine or armor because the days to refit will be significantly longer and by that time you could have built a new ship. Convoy escort can just be 10 groups, roughly 1 spotter and 5-10 DDs per group. 2. Convoy escort, they prevent friendly convoys from being attacked. Escort efficiency [edit | edit source] Escort efficiency is an important metric in relation to convoy escort missions. This page was last edited on 16 January 2022, at 17:51. Rediculous refit costs for ancillary systems like improving radar, ASW, AA, etcWhen you have enough convoy escorts, new docks can be assigned to make Fightin'CLs. One was downed by AA fire from a U-Boat but in return it damaged the German sub enough to. Your navy, whether over the course of years or in one decisive battle, can make the difference between humiliating failure and righteous success. How strange that ships on patrol will ignore convoys, even if they are escorted, or maybe the escorts are just sailing around on convoy protection duty and happen to show up when my submarines strike. This is by design. In general, in the timeframe of hoi4, airships are too big and too slow to perform any useful role when enemy aircraft are present. A catch 22. There are video tutorials and guides on YouTube. engine/gun/radar/torpedo for screening and patrolling and one loaded with sonar and depth charges and another gun maybe for convoy escorting. Kalibos • 4 yr. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Hearts of Iron IV by Paradox Development Studio. Subs and convoy escorts; I usually keep them small if I don't have the dockyards, 4-8 ships. Since convoy efficiency is so important for Japan, a lot of the early game for me is spent building convoys and more convoy escort DDs. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by. I think at Gibraltar an the Suez it's at Armies and Navies can't pass. The only way you can fix your war support without pulling out of South America is to either bumrush forward and finish off the Allies and end the war, or get naval supremacy and protect your convoys. Convoy Escort missions not only protect supply convoys, but also protect Troop Transports. Then split the fleet after the Japanese have no more capitals into convoy escort/invasion support. Make sure they were made for Man the Guns (patch. If you’re relying on naval convoys to fulfill resource needs, protecting those convoys is going to be vital. If you can get destroyers and set them to convoy defense you would have a much better time. They will show all of your fighters, cas, tactical and strategic bombers (as well as the enemies) in the air region but naval bombers set to naval strikes do not. Leasing a Destroyer plan, say, from the Soviets, could get them building cheap convoy escorts, training them, and earning XP to make other homegrown designs later. Naval invasion support only sets the ships in motion once your naval invasion has begun, and the AI most likely has a huge part of their fleet on strike force, which means they only will move their. One thing I omitted in the video is that those heavy cruisers are good candidates for conversion to escort carriers for ASW duty (1 CVL + 4DD). zacharyb. Worst hull, worst engine, worst gun, no torpedoes, maybe a cheap aa (it adds 90 + 2% to production cost, so only if you are really worried about plane attacks). To counter the convoy raids, there are a few techniques. What should be the best option is destroyer with depth charges and sonars, maybe light cruisers to offset some those deep ocean malusses. Were there any change to how naval battle works in Waking the Tiger? Previously I was able to invade UK with no problems at all.